Thursday, March 7, 2013

Why We're Getting Out of Debt: (Or, why drive when you could walk?)

About six months ago, John and I really began to feel that we should be paying off our debt. This was a new feeling to us (well it is a new feeling to us) and only weeks prior, I was telling someone that our combined student debt (six years of combined schooling entirely on loans), plus our car debt, was healthy debt. You know, debt you need. So it's healthy.

Shortly thereafter we got kicked in the pants by our brains and our God and and had a transition into realizing that no debt is healthy debt.

It might be necessary. But it's not healthy.

Here's the analogy I came up with, and it's not perfect and it has flaws, so please don't get stuck on the details:

If I want to get from one place to another, say from my house to the park, I need a means of getting there. I have three options:
  1. I could walk to the park.
  2. I could bike to the park.
  3. I could drive to the park.
The distance of the park will determine whether I choose option 1, 2 or 3.
  1. If the park is down the street, I will probably walk. 
  2. If it's across town, I'll bike. 
  3. If it's in another city, I'll drive.

    That's the logical thing to do.
However, the options for transportation are not fixed.

I don't have to walk to the park that's down the street... I could drive there. It would be a short drive, and it would only use a little gas, and I'm getting exercize at the park anyways, so why not drive?

Or, I could bike down the street - it would get me there quicker and I would still receive the benefits of the outdoors.

However, (and this is the point that I suppose I never considered) even if I'm going to another city, I could walk. I don't have to drive. I don't have to bike.

It would be a long walk, and it would require some preparation (I would need to pack snacks and water bottles, and maybe a change of clothes for when I get to where I'm going), but I could do it.
I could walk to another city. I don't have to drive.

The same is our life with debt.
  1. Imagine with me that my "walking" is living with cash. 
  2. Imagine that my "biking" is a partial reliance on credit - in the same way that a bike is a partial reliance on technology. You're still using your legs, but your wheels are making them move faster than they otherwise could. In my analogy, the bike is debt that you use and pay off before interest accrues. Using a credit card to book a plane trip, gain the points & pay it off. That kind of thing.
  3. And, imagine that the car is debt - full debt, major loans which are larger than any income you've seen at once. For me, this is a car loan. A mortgage. Things like that.
What I've come to realize is that it is possible to "walk" everywhere. No matter the income level of a person, if there is appropriate planning and a 0-sum debt balance, you can actually walk... everywhere. You might need to pack some snacks and it'll take a lot longer to get where you're going, but think of all of the fresh air you'll get on the way.

Of course, when it comes to a mortgage, I might drive most of the way. But I can walk much more of it than I thought.

I've started to look at verses like this in a new light:

"Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law." - Romans 13.8

"The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender."
- Proverbs 22:7


“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God."
- Leviticus 25:35-38

God did not intend for us to need to borrow from each other. God intended for us to work and live in community with each other.

This means giving where it hurts, to each other. This means living together. Beside each other. Living without interest. Sharing. Really, it means sharing. Because although God did not intend for us to need to borrow from each other, He knew that in this life we'd face troubles. He knew we'd be poor sometimes. Or a lot of the times. But He knows that we have it in ourselves to protect each other from the storms of poverty.

I think that God is merciful, and He understands your financial situation. I think He's going to work with you and answer your prayers, and if what you need is financial breakthrough, He's going to give it to you if you ask for it and do what you can to see it.

In our lives, this means taking extra work sometimes; selling items that might be easier to simply drop off at Goodwill; shopping at Goodwill (thankfully thrifting is cool now); and budgeting realistically.

I'm not saying to have an entertainment fund of $10 a month - or to sit at home and be bored out of your eyes - or to live off rice - but I'm saying to set realistic goals and limits for yourself and ourselves that are achievable and, well, limited. When the money's gone, it's gone. Come back at the beginning of next month. I'll talk more in an upcoming post about how we're doing that with the envelope system, and share some tips from people who have been succeeding with a cash lifestyle for much longer than we have.

What we're learning is that we can walk everywhere we set our minds to. We can realize the benefits of getting the fresh air, of having a world that is, for us, cash based. (And yes we still have a bank account, and no we don't keep anything under the mattress, we're not that extreme. Props if you are.)

John and I are choosing to get out of debt because we don't want anyone to rule over us, and we want to be able to share with those around us. Please pray with us that getting out of debt is going to be a reality in our lives, and send me an email or message below if you'd like me to pray with you that getting out of debt is going to be a reality in your life.

God never tells us to do something we won't be able to do.

13 comments:

  1. Hey Sam, so happy for you guys! We're doing the samething and almost done! We're working the Dave Ramsey program. If you haven't heard of it, I'd highly recommend it! Full of useful tips that are bibical and straight forward so you can come up with a plan that will get you out of debt as soon as possible.
    Amanda

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thanks, Amanda! Right now we're doing the Total Money Makeover program and I've heard good things about the Financial Peace University program.

      Delete
  2. This is great Sam. I think each person is convicted in different ways. I don't necessarily believe that no debt is "right" or "biblical", but I do think certain people may feel called to it. We have 0 debt, except for some money that we loaned from Daniel's parents when I lost my job and Daniel was a full-time student. But, according to the banks we owe nothing, which is nice....but won't likely be a forever thing for us.

    I do like the idea of buying cars for cash, that is what we did and I pray when we need to buy a used minivan we can do that too. I think paying for school with cash is ALMOST impossible, and I don't feel it's the parents responsibility to pay for their kids. So there's that too (Dan and I lucked out in a lot of ways for our schooling). For a house..that's a whole other story. I think you just need to buy a house with a manageable mortgage and a good down payment (20% or more). That is nearly impossible right now with the housing market though, so I know for us buying a house is probably close to a decade away.

    Anything beyond that though I don't feel wise debt. Putting a computer on credit, or a new wardrobe, or whatever...I don't think those things are necessary and just think it's wise to wait and save. But those are my own convictions!

    This is a thought-provoking and wise post though Sam! :) Thanks for bringing this us. I do hear lots of Christian bloggers writing about getting out of debt completely and that it is unbiblical to have ANY debt. I'm not sure I'm sold on that idea, because of the world we live in...but I will keep thinking about it!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I agree with you, Bri - this isn't a world where we can entirely avoid debt. Sometimes we need the "car" (in the lame metaphor I used!).

      The reason I wrote this post is because although you lovely ladies who commented below are sold on the idea of a cash-based lifestyle, many, many, many people haven't been taught. It's not a reality in some families, so when they leave the family and start their own, they don't see that it's a possibility for them.

      I'm really inspired by your story too!

      Delete
  3. Hey Sam
    I think it's great that you are doing this! For us though, it's an entirely different situation. We both cam eout of school debt free ( yay! ) but we DO live on a farm. So we have a personal line of credit for big ticket items that are necessary. We are both FIRM believers in paying the full amount off our credit cards each month and we only have 1 each.

    In teh next 10 years we will have to eventually buy a multi- million dollar farm and with farming you are constantly in debt. It's a way of life. I am really happy for you guys and will join you in praying - but for us debt will be a reality. Like Brianna said, not for clothes or non-necessities obviously but farming is borrowing and debting :)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I hear you on this one Kirsten! As we run a business, we have expenses come up which aren't covered until after the client pays so if we have to, we use credit to cover those. It's not as unique as farming but I understand your situation!

      Like I said, I'm not anti-debt, and in your situation you obviously have to invest to gain. God's going to honor that. I pray that one day, you and your family will be able to farm - and will have the blessing and inheritance you need to NOT need to go into debt when doing it (and I'm talking about the big tractor-y expenses too!) I even pray that your multi-million dollar farm is more within reach than you realize. God can do anything!

      Delete
  4. I agree that it's great you're committed to paying off debt, but I don't agree that there is no GOOD debt. I think a lot of debt is unavoidable, and it's wise to temporarily be in debt for certain things.

    Take education. I couldn't afford to pay for university on my own and my parents couldn't afford to help me. Would it have been wiser for me to just not go to school? Or community college instead? Or work for 5 years and then start first year when I was 23? I don't think so. I think it was wise to get myself into debt for the education and opportunities university provided me.

    Now, Brad and I both graduated university with 20k of debt each. He paid his off, on his own, on a missionaries' salary, 4 years after he graduated, and one week before buying my engagement ring - where he would then inherit 20k more debt. What a man, eh? poor guy! But you know what? We paid off my 20K debt in two years!! Of course this was on two salaries instead of one, but they were still extremely tight missionary salaries, and that was still with us titheing 10% and living downtown (much more expensive than other parts of the province). I'm not bragging in saying this, but testifying that debt can open doors, and is good, as long as you're diligent to pay it off ASAP.

    Also, I do believe that car debt is almost always unnecessary. Our first car cost $400 from craigslist and we made many a long distance road trip in it. We actually sold it for $300 a year later! Our next (and current) car was $2000 from craigslist and is still serving us well as a family of four. I think most people CAN afford to buy a car outright, if they're willing to drive a less than stellar vehicle. Our car isn't the nicest but it runs well, and that's all we cared about. Not that $2000 is chump change, but if a working couple saved up, I think it's attainable in a year or less.

    Same with a mortgage. We put 20% down on our house when we bought it to ensure our mortgage payments were lower. It meant saving like dogs and never spending any extra money, like, ever, but now our monthly payments are lower though we'll be paying off our home in the same (or less) time. I don't know many couples who can buy a house outright or who can pay off a mortgage in 5 years, so that would be another case of unavoidable, good debt.

    In the end, I think it's about paying it off VERY QUICKLY because interest will kill you, and in many of the Bible verses you quoted, the original meaning was interest from a loan, not the loan itself. To give you a really sad example, our first year of marriage we lived off NOTHING. I mean, almost nothing. We both worked full time, paid rent, bought minimalist groceries, and paid down my 20K student loans. AND THATS IT. No $10/month entertainment budget (that was too much for us! instead we went on walks and borrowed friend's movies and babysat friend's kids and explored out city all for free!), no last minute trips, no gifts during birthdays or holidays, no treats at groceries, no eating out or ordering in. I know it sounds hard and brutal, but it became a way of life and we felt rich compared to so many people we knew who were living more extravagantly but who we knew deep down had more debt than us that they were ignoring. It's the onyl way we could pay off that much money in that short a time, on our salaries.

    But it was so worth it! Hope that's inspiring to anyone who thinks living with debt is either bad or impossible to get out of - because I believe it's neither. And sorry for the novel :)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hey Emily! I think you and I are basically on the exact same page! If I communicated that I don't think some debt is good, then I must have said something wrong - because I think some debt is necessary but not all debt is healthy.

      What that means to me is basically the way that you and Brad tackled your debt: It was necessary to get through school (I graduated with a $28K loan and John with a $14K loan, and we were married) but it's not a healthy thing to continue carrying around. So we could make the minimum payments, or we could just tackle it and get rid of it because at this point, it's really unhealthy for us.

      So that's what we're doing. It's just that, it never clicked to us until recently that the minimum payments weren't enough! That we could go further without!

      The same is for a mortgage and a car. We did buy a $16K car with financing, etc. but we're now realizing that we don't need a $16K car - it's insane! (And it was used, so we patted ourselves on the back.) Instead, we're going to be selling our car, getting something under $5K, and paying off our more expensive one.

      With a mortgage, we always planned to put down 10%. 10% is not enough - let's do 20%. That's around $40 000 here, but we can save it given enough time and being out of other debt.

      We'll get there!

      I think that John and I never really had the opportunity to learn that debt is not a healthy thing. We saw it as a crutch. But why would you need a crutch if you don't have a broken leg? If we can make ways to do things without it?

      I'm really inspired by your story & I think that it's a testament to exactly where we want to be. As of December, we had 2 student debts, 1 car loan, and an $6000 credit card (we run a business so expenses accrue that we pay back when we get paid, but we're still paying interest in the meantime.)

      Since then we've paid off our credit card, and have a plan to tackle the remaining debts. I believe that God is going to give us the ability to pay off our debt within the year, so 2014 is a year for saving for our mortgage. Amen amen amen.

      Delete
    2. Sorry, I thought you were saying that all debt is unhealthy, and must have misunderstood you. So glad to hear you guys are not guilting yourselves over the debt you have, but rather being super proactive in paying it off asap :)

      It's a learning process for sure. If I hadn't have married Brad I would likely be way over my head still paying off my student loan and I'm sure other debts too. And that's assuming I married someone else with a job, but the same awful views on money that I came into our marriage with! I'm so thankful for Brad because he had amazing views on paying off debt asap and being crazy frugal long before I was on board. And now I'm reaping the benefits, though it was hard at first to be living so tightly that first year.

      Happy for you guys and totally cheering you on!

      Delete
  5. This leaves me so inspired to come up with a plan to tackle my debt. I've been paying off on my debts for the past five years and I'm so tired of it. It bothers my husband because he's never had any kind of debt, but he also doesn't have much credit because of that. My credit is now in great standing but I'm ready to really cut down on the debt so that we don't have those restrictions. Yup, I'd say it's time. Thanks for sharing your story!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That's awesome! I'd recommend getting a copy of Dave Ramsey's book Total Money Makeover - it's a really great starting place!

      Delete
  6. could use every prayer you can spare. in such a hopeless spot right now. :( trying so hard to stay in a positive vibration.

    ReplyDelete

Let's hear what you think!